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Alegom 
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Posted on: Dec. 09 2011,13:11 |
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Hello.
Here I am again, hoping the good old balder can give me a hand.
I've been modifying my project, the one I started sometime ago. Since I noticed the release of the new version of EasyBoot, I was thrilled with all the new functions and possibilities.
Not sure if you remember, but I had Acronis, HBCD, UBCD, XP and 7. The first 3 were changed in the way they boot. There are now 3 ISO's in the ezboot folder for each one, and I just used 'run file_name.iso', and it works.
I don't know if this is a coincidence or not, because of all the fuss around putting HBCD to work... Am I doing it right? :S
Things aren't so pretty with XP and 7. I can't seem to get those 2 to work. I had .bif images for both, and now I tried to use 'run /bootmgr' for 7 and 'run /i386/setupldr.bin' for XP, and it works for DVD, but not for USB. I even tried the resource files you have on your script folder, but there's no use.
Any ideas?
Is there any problem related with the build options, such as joliet, case, file system, etc, that I may be overlooking?
As usual, thanks for your time. 
Edited by Alegom on Dec. 09 2011,13:26
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balder
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Posted on: Dec. 09 2011,14:06 |
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@Alegom
Quote: "Not sure if you remember"
He, he I sure do.... 
I guess you are referring to post nr; 54 HERE
Anyway... This 'HBCD' must be Hirens BOOT-CD (correct me if I'm wrong)
You cannot only run ISO-file of Hiren - you also need the folder HBCD on the root of USB
Read post nr;11 HERE
Post nr;11 also explains how to integrate WinXP to USB
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Setup of Win-7 shouldn't be any problem - test this:
1. Create menu entrance for setup of Win-7 in EasyBoot menu and use menu command: run /bootmgr and save changes to menu (push button 'Save' in Easyboot)
2. Copy to the root of USB folders boot, efi, sources, support and folder upgrade (if you have any else 'optional' folder, copy that one as well to the root of usb)
3. Copy to the root of USB files bootmgr (and if present) file bootmgr.efi (optionally also file 'setup.exe' though not needed to the root of usb)
4. Follow tutorial in above given link post nr;11 (copy folder ezboot to the root of USB)
Note1: I have tested setupnt6.img in USB_Resources in my folder balder (latest updated version) and it worked perfect 
Note2: Above solution refer to USB stick as USB harddisk can behave a little bit different, but is still possible to run from.
However - USB stick is recommended as first choice!
Attention! My whole script-collection is updated to better support the latest release of EasyBoot - It's an good idea to update to my latest script-collection (download below as usual).
Some related info HERE
Read especially post nr; 2 and 6 and 8
Read also interesting way how to use Ghost - read post nr;11 HERE
regards balder
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Alegom
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Posted on: Dec. 09 2011,14:58 |
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Is it a bird? No! Is it a plain? No! It's balder! Faster than a bullet, as always.
QUOTE He, he I sure do....
And i keep using the same sentece, over and over. You even bother the search for the right post. xD
QUOTE Anyway... This 'HBCD' must be Hirens BOOT-CD (correct me if I'm wrong) You cannot only run ISO-file of Hiren - you also need the folder HBCD on the root of USB Read post nr;11 HERE
Yap, that's Hiren's BootCD. So we have a problem, because I was able to run it without anything else besides the iso file and the easyboot command. Freaky stuff, I guess...
QUOTE Post nr;11 also explains how to integrate WinXP to USB
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Setup of Win-7 shouldn't be any problem - test this:
Everything you mention this point on, it's already been done by me, except phase 4.
The thing with the method you refered (and let me start by saying I had already read all the topics associated with the links you gave, because I always make sure if there's a way to do it and if i understand it), is that you are supposed to format the flash drive to apply the first part, but if you want both XP and 7, it would take 2 formats... Or one is enough and we can use the structure that WinSetupFromUSB (also already knew this one  ) created and simply copy 7's files to the drive?
QUOTE Note2: Above solution refer to USB stick as USB harddisk can behave a little bit different, but is still possible to run from.
However - USB stick is recommended as first choice!
Attention! My whole script-collection is updated to better support the latest release of EasyBoot - It's an good idea to update to my latest script-collection (download below as usual).
Yes, I am using a flash drive. And I have updated your script collections just some hours ago.
QUOTE Read also interesting way how to use Ghost - read post nr;11 HERE
I am more like an Acronis kinda guy. But thank you for the heads up.
Edited by Alegom on Dec. 09 2011,15:01
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balder
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Posted on: Dec. 09 2011,16:25 |
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@Alegom
Quote: "and we can use the structure that WinSetupFromUSB (also already knew this one ) created and simply copy 7's files to the drive?"
Yes you can - and shall - use FAT32 and as you said your self "simply copy 7's files.
Setup of Win-7 works great from FAT32 - no problem what-so-ever.
I have tested solution and it works!
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Quote: "I am more like an Acronis kinda guy"
Hmmm... Well as I'm an pretty 'old guy' I guess I'm stuck to the good 'old' Ghost solution - its like glue, does not release the grip 
However, I cannot se any problem using Acronis as well - though I'm unsure if Acronis is able to write needed structure to 'fill out' (as Ghost is able to) the whole partition (the target partition)
However I'm interested if Acronis also can be used in the same way as Ghost 
It would be of high interest if you can confirm it works (or not works) - see it as a courtesy to other users of Easyboot
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The 'Hiren syndrome' - I can guarantee it works (I have tested all solutions included the one given by xoben and my script 'easyboot-hiren_v14*.script' - it works, but use FAT32 not NTFS)
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Quote: "Is it a bird?"
He, he like this HERE
I recently fall down 4 meters (12 feet) when climbing in a tree - I survived as I'm still writing here 
I'm an former athletic myself - I guess that's why I survived - though my wife was close to a heart attack 
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To sum up - can you solve all issues you are asking for - let me know if any problem remains.
It is possible to launch setup of win-7 and WinXP (but you must start creating environment to WinXP before EasyBoot Hiren and Win-7)
regards balder
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Alegom
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Posted on: Dec. 09 2011,17:18 |
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QUOTE Yes you can - and shall - use FAT32 and as you said your self "simply copy 7's files.
Setup of Win-7 works great from FAT32 - no problem what-so-ever.
I have tested solution and it works!
Sounds good, but my problem right now is when I run the program. After formating, it says that i couldn't backup either bootsector, if I formated with windows, or MBR, if I formated with the inside feature. Any solution to that? :S
QUOTE However I'm interested if Acronis also can be used in the same way as Ghost It would be of high interest if you can confirm it works (or not works) - see it as a courtesy to other users of Easyboot
Yes, it can. There's an option to create the backup in the sector-to-sector mode. I'm telling you, I've been using Acronis for more than 5 years and it never let me down. And one of the good things is that you can create bootable discs with more tools from Acronis, like partition managers and other stuff. Personally, the ones I know better are True Image (backup) and Disk Director (partitions), and are my favorites of each kind of tool.
QUOTE The 'Hiren syndrome' - I can guarantee it works (I have tested all solutions included the one given by xoben and my script 'easyboot-hiren_v14*.script' - it works, but use FAT32 not NTFS)
So, I shouldn't be worried, right? It works just with an ISO and the command, better to leave it like that...
QUOTE Quote: "Is it a bird?" He, he like this HERE
That was unexpected... xD
He almost seems to be trying to actually fly, to enjoy the moment. The way he does wherever he does with his arms is inspiring. lol
QUOTE I recently fall down 4 meters (12 feet) when climbing in a tree - I survived as I'm still writing here I'm an former athletic myself - I guess that's why I survived - though my wife was close to a heart attack
Sound scary... 4 meters is a lot of meters... You have to be more carefull. ;)
QUOTE To sum up - can you solve all issues you are asking for - let me know if any problem remains.
It is possible to launch setup of win-7 and WinXP (but you must start creating environment to WinXP before EasyBoot Hiren and Win-7)
Isn't any other way? I really liked the way UltraISO creates a specially designed boot partition. Does a wonderfull job keeping things separated and the flash drive organized...
Well, unless I can solve the problem I described to you in the beginning of the post, I guess I'll have to give up on XP.
Oh, and I'm really close to conclude that if the ISO is burned to the flash drive with the partition deeply hidden, the Windows 7 setup won't run. I'll keep you posted.
Edited by Alegom on Dec. 09 2011,17:20
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balder
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Posted on: Dec. 09 2011,17:43 |
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@Alegom
Quote: "After formating, it says that i couldn't backup either bootsector"
Yes this is because you have an hided tiny partition that shouldn't be there at all
This is most likely an result from EasyBoot\UltraIso
Structure of your USB stick\flash is not correct for the 'WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3.exe' to run correctly 
If you install grub boot record to such USB stick and notice when booting stick, you can see how grub can't boot the first partition (the 'hided partition'), so it jumps to next and most likely your stick has its boot record put on 'hdd (0,3)' and not (0,0) that should be the case, if stick did have a plain 'clean' structure, which is not the case just now
Basically you have two choices to solve this problem:
1. Use my script 'easyboot-usb-ghost.script' and choose "Repair BOOT-record" (you need ghost32.exe and ghost_v8 is recommended). This is the ultimate solution
Note: When done with script, you must right-click to USB stick in Windows Explorer and choose FAT32 and quick format - then go for 'WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3.exe'
2. Use HP format tool (not my first choice) - download HERE
Note: download is a little bit slow in response
Attention! If choosing this second (bad) solution - you must use internal Format tool 'RMPrepUSB' in 'WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3.exe' as HP format tool creates new length of the partition in the partition table that ends up to be incorrect.
(You can press 'Help-button in 'easyboot-usb-ghost.script' and read about this stupid HP tool).
Now it works
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About Hiren...
Quote: " It works just with an ISO and the command"
Well yes and no
You should have the folder HBCD on the root of USB stick as well - otherwise all utilities doesn't work correctly, including *MiniXP*
Use my script to solve it - it works correctly from both CD\DVD as from USB device as well (no ISO-file is needed in this case)
regards balder
Edited by balder on Dec. 10 2011,02:38
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Alegom
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Posted on: Dec. 10 2011,06:55 |
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QUOTE Yes this is because you have an hided tiny partition that shouldn't be there at all This is most likely an result from EasyBoot\UltraIso Structure of your USB stick\flash is not correct for the 'WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3.exe' to run correctly If you install grub boot record to such USB stick and notice when booting stick, you can see how grub can't boot the first partition (the 'hided partition'), so it jumps to next and most likely your stick has its boot record put on 'hdd (0,3)' and not (0,0) that should be the case, if stick did have a plain 'clean' structure, which is not the case just now
I've considered that scenario, as I burned another ISO to the USB without the boot partition and then formated with the Windows tool. That's a way to bypass the problem...
QUOTE 2. Use HP format tool (not my first choice) - download HERENote: download is a little bit slow in response Attention! If choosing this second (bad) solution - you must use internal Format tool 'RMPrepUSB' in 'WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3.exe' as HP format tool creates new length of the partition in the partition table that ends up to be incorrect.
(You can press 'Help-button in 'easyboot-usb-ghost.script' and read about this stupid HP tool).
I don't know why, but seems you are not a HP Format Tool fan... xD
Well, I tryied both ways, and none of them worked. Does it have anything to do with the fact that I'm using a microSD card reader with my 16Gb card as an USB flash drive?
It says: "grubinst.exe could not make a backup of bootsector (hd1,0)".
QUOTE ou should have the folder HBCD on the root of USB stick as well - otherwise all utilities doesn't work correctly, including *MiniXP*
Use my script to solve it - it works correctly from both CD\DVD as from USB device as well (no ISO-file is needed in this case)
I went back to the old method with the hbcd.img. It was working, but I got too excited with the new functions.
Btw, I confirmed. Windows 7 with deep hidden boot partition does not work.
Edited by Alegom on Dec. 10 2011,07:31
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balder
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@Alegom
Quote: "I've considered that scenario, as I burned another ISO to the USB without the boot partition and then formated with the Windows tool. That's a way to bypass the problem..."
Sorry this 'scenario' do not bypass the problem at all - the problem remains
Boot record etcetera is written by UltraIso from its internally 'system' and not from CD\DVD-ISO-file.
Creating ISO-file is mainly for pointing file 'ezldr' to the 'Main menu'.
In fact, you even don't need to create ISO at all, you can push on 'Save' (save changes to your menu ***.ezb-file) and manually format USB device followed by in EasyBoot pushing 'Burn>Write USB Disk>Xpress Boot>Write New Boot Sector>EasyBoot'.
Now you have created an 'EasyBoot-boot-record' to USB device.
This 'Boot'record' looks for a file 'ezldr' on the root of USB device and nothing else!
File 'ezldr' is then looking for the 'Main menu' (the one that is established when you push on 'Save" in EasyBoot or if you create ISO-file).
Continue with copying folder ezboot to the root of USB device and finally copy file ezboot\ezldr to the root of USB device - you can now launch USB device and use easyboot menu
Note: file 'ezldr' points to your 'Main menu' ***.ezb (whatever name you use to your 'Main menu').
But using in Easyboot 'Burn>Write USB Disk>Write' do create problems for the 'WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3.exe' tool.
However I agree with you that it is an elegant solution that Easyboot provide us with.
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Quote: "Does it have anything to do with the fact that I'm using a microSD card reader with my 16Gb card as an USB flash drive?"
I don't think this is the problem
Quote: "It says: "grubinst.exe could not make a backup of bootsector (hd1,0)"
Well if this is the case - your USB stick is not cleared out in the right way.
Use recommended solution 1 from post nr;6 and it solves your problem
Test this:
1. Use my script "EasyBoot-USB_v2.script" (use any small ISO-file or a small floppy image) when script ask for a file to put on USB stick.
2. Let script do 'it's things' and use in script built-in test facility to USB stick.
3. Sharp your eyes during test, and notice what boot sector that is finally found by grub.
4. If grub cannot boot from hd (0,0) directly, and must jump to let's say hd (0,3) to boot USB stick -if so - USB stick is still in a 'bad' shape.
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The 'Hiren case'
Quote: "It was working, but I got too excited with the new functions."
He, he, I guess it was at this point I drop down 4 meters (12 feet) from that tree 
regards balder
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Posted on: Dec. 10 2011,08:27 |
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QUOTE Sorry this 'scenario' do not bypass the problem at all - the problem remains
But I thought that by doing this, all the partitions would be erased and the boot record would be reset. Guess I was wrong.
QUOTE Well if this is the case - your USB stick is not cleared out in the right way. Use recommended solution 1 from post nr;6 and it solves your problem
(Alegom @ Dec. 10 2011,11:55)
QUOTE Well, I tryied both ways, and none of them worked.
QUOTE Test this:
Everything worked fine. Guess the problem doesn't lies with the format process.
We are running out of options... xD
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Posted on: Dec. 10 2011,09:33 |
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@Alegom
Quote: "Everything worked fine."
I think you missunderstod what I meant
USB stick always boot - but from which partition
You must 'sharpen' your eyes when boot process is run (use test in script) and look closly if USB stick boot from hd (0,0) or from hd(0,3)
I'm sure it boots from hd (0,3) if problem remains
It should be something like "Try (hd0,0): FAT32:" This is the correct boot sequence
If something like this is showed
"Try (hd0,0): FAT32:"
"Try (hd0,1): FAT32:"
"Try (hd0,2): FAT32:"
"Try (hd0,3): FAT32:" (it surely boots from this position but that is wrong)
regards balder
Edited by balder on Dec. 10 2011,12:45
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