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EB1000 
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Posted on: Aug. 30 2011,13:29 |
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Hello all, especially mr balder
it's been awhile since my last post here. I decided to create a new updated multiboot DVD. I was able to get almost everything to work using a mix of old methods and new ones based on run iso command, except for 3 iso's
The first is linux ubuntu live 10.04. it works using grub menu with the following code:
find --set-root /UBUT.ISO
map /UBUT.ISO (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/UBUT.ISO splash
initrd /casper/initrd.lz
How can I do the same for ezboot6?
The second is AVIRA rescue cd. It is also linux based using isolinux.cfg file on the root of the avira.iso. The cfg menu uses this command:
kernel vmlinuz
  append nofb initrd=initrd.gz ramdisk_size=108178 root=/dev/ram0 rw  console=/dev/vc/4
The third is the goodold Kaspersky rescue 10 which use to work after extracting the iso to disk1 and using the command:
bcdw kav10.img
Now it does not work. it loads most of the process but then linux prompt complains about not finding boot media...
On the new multiboot I have the following working:
1 Acronis true image home 2011 (run iso)
2 Acronis Disk dicertor 2011 (run iso)
3 Paragon partition manager  2011 (run iso)
4 Hiren boot cd 14.1 (works thanks to balder script, did not try run iso yet)
5 Win7PE se (sp1) (memdisk pe7.img.gz)
6 Gold memory 7 pro ( run iso)
7 QuicktechPro 5/8 (run iso)
8 ActivebootDisk disk 5 (run iso)
9 Ultimate boot Disk 5 (run iso)
Still not working:
10 kaspersky rescue 10
11 Avira rescue
12 Linux live
disk size is almost 4GB (any other bootable iso's that I'm missing wll be welcomed :-) )
One more quastion to mr balder: did you update your script to be ezboot 6 compatible? Did you try hiren's 14.1 run iso command?
many thanks
Edited by EB1000 on Aug. 30 2011,13:33
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balder
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Posted on: Aug. 30 2011,16:34 |
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@EB1000
Quote: "One more quastion to mr balder: did you update your script to be ezboot 6 compatible?"
Yes scripts been updated as we cannot any longer (at least for the moment) use the "memdisk-command", it doesn't work at all. Scripts been updated in many ways to better performance.
Quote: "Did you try hiren's 14.1 run iso command?"
Same as above. Download updated scripts to get the right menu command from script to use in Easyboot menu  (as usual, push on button "Integrate Hiren's BOOT-CD" in easyboot-iso.script).
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Quote: "Still not working:
10 kaspersky rescue 10
11 Avira rescue
12 Linux live
We have problems with "memdisk ***.img.gz " menu command in EasyBoot.
Download updated scripts to solve this issue 
Tutorial for kaspersky-10.
1. Make a copy of kaspersky iso as we are going to manipulate iso
2. Extract from ISO folder rescue and file image.squashfs and file livecd to folder disk1
3. Delete folder rescue and file image.squashfs and file livecd from inside of ISO
4. Save ISO-file that now is much less in size with the name KASPERSKY10.ISO
5. Copy ISO to folder ezboot and use menu command in EasyBoot: run KASPERSKY10.ISO
6. Check "Joliet" when creating ISO in Easyboot.
Note: you can also use my script "easyboot-iso.script" to integrate KASPERSKY10.ISO into Easyboot as usual (read below the benefit of using my script)
Tutorial for Avira rescue.
1. Make a copy of avira iso as we are going to manipulate iso
2. Extract from AVIRA.ISO-file folder system and folder antivir and folder avupdate to folder disk1 in Easyboot
3. Delete folder system folder antivir and folder avupdate from inside of AVIRA.ISO-file
4. Save ISO-file that now is less in size with the name AVIRA.ISO
5 Â Use my script "easyboot-iso.script" to integrate AVIRA.ISO into Easyboot as usual and use menu command given by updated script (you must use updated script-collection)
Note: you cannot simply copy AVIRA.ISO to folder ezboot and use the new menu command in EasyBoot: run AVIRA.ISO as it doesn't work for avira but works for kaspersky.
However, my script do not fail, it works for any ISO-file without hesitating.
Read about the new facilities in EasyBoot HERE
And discussion HERE
And about updated scripts read post nr; 8 and 9 HERE
Tutorial for UBUNTU (Linux live 10.04).
1. Copy UBUNTU .ISO to folder disk1 (make sure iso-file is named exactly UBUNTU.ISO)
2. Download my "grub-kicker.image" from HERE
3. Extract ubuntu.ima from zip-file to folder ezboot
4. Use menu command in EasyBoot: Â bcdw ubuntu.ima
5. Check "Joliet" when creating ISO in EasyBoot.
Note: Some software cannot be tested with Microsoft Virtual PC 
You can use this freeware HERE
regards balder
Edited by balder on Aug. 31 2011,07:19
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EB1000
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Posted on: Aug. 30 2011,18:35 |
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@ balder
Thank you very much! I will try this tomorrow morning and report back. BTW, do I still need to download "grub-kicker.image" even if I have the latest balder.zip?
One last question: is there a easy way to boot miniXP only from Hiren in EB6 (i.e does the same method used in EB5 sill work?)
Thanks again (if your not yet employed by Ezbsystems, they should send you a huge check for the great service your doing here...)
Edited by EB1000 on Aug. 30 2011,18:49
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balder
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Posted on: Aug. 31 2011,03:22 |
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@EB1000
Quote: do I still need to download "grub-kicker.image"
I guess you are referring to UBUNTU?
And yes you need that specially designed  "grub-kicker.image" to make it work.
For the common user of the bootloader grub this is no "hot news" - I haven't "invented" anything.
But I  improvised how we can use grub via  "grub-kicker.images" and there you have my "contribution" (if I may say) to how we can use EasyBoot.
And same to the option to launch EasyBoot from USB - another benefit (or shall we call it; "spin-off-effect")!
Note: The "easyboot-iso.script" creates a new specially designed  "grub-kicker.image" each time you integrate ISO-file into EasyBoot - it's an pretty simple procedure if you know how to do it.
Method mentioned is extremely reliable - it never fails (though ISO-file itself may fail to boot, but that is a question about the ISO-file and not my  "grub-kicker.image").
If integrating WinPE-ISO built from source of WinXP, you check "Run ISO from RAM" and when doing this, script behaves different.
Script now integrate "firadisk"-driver to launch WinPE-ISO - it is slightly more "advanced", but nothing difficult in anyway (credits to the brilliant "karyonix" for his development and efforts in this issue).
Again it's an question of improvising 
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Quote: "is there a easy way to boot miniXP only from Hiren in EB6"
It depends on what version of Hiren we are dealing with?
For reference also read post nr; 2 and 4 HERE
Generally in EasyBoot-version6 you must use menu command: Â bcdw and NOT run and NOT memdisk
For "older" Hiren (I tested Hiren-10) and only launching MiniXP you use menu command in the latest release of Easyboot (version6): Â bcdw /hbcd/xp.bin
And you don't need to check "Allow Lower Case" to make it work!
Note: we desperately trying to avoid the use of checking "Allow Lower Case" as it gives us some annoying side-effects  Â Keep that in mind!
You can still use "easyboot-iso.script" to integrate Hiren-10.
Attention, to use the whole Hiren-10 (dos-tools etcetera) you must check the annoying "Allow Lower Case" and this "problem" is related to Hiren and not to EasyBoot.
For the Hiren-14.1 case.
Use "easyboot-iso.script" to integrate Hiren as usual.
To only launch MiniXP you use menu command in the latest release of Easyboot (version6): Â bcdw /hbcd/xp/xp.bin
And you don't need to check "Allow Lower Case" to make it work.
Attention, to use the whole Hiren-14.1 (dos-tools etcetera) you again must check the annoying "Allow Lower Case"!
Though we desperately trying to avoid the use of checking "Allow Lower Case" it is needed when run Hiren from CD\DVD-unit but NOT needed if run from USB device (you are automatically given the right menu command and recommended settings by script "easyboot-iso.script")
Note: This "Allow Lower Case"-syndrome in Hiren is most likely caused by that Hiren mix uppercase and lowercase to file-names in folder HBCD.
In theory you could manually change all names to uppercase (big letters) to all filenames (simply use "easyboot-uppercase.script" ).
However you must also change everything in the menu-system in Hiren to uppercase (a lot of efforts to change that).
Is it worth it - I don't now 
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Finally...
Quote: "(if your not yet employed by Ezbsystems, they should send you a huge check for the great service your doing here...)"
No I'm not employed by Ezbsystems  - but I do like that suggestion "huge check", he he that one for sure taste good 
regards balder
Edited by balder on Aug. 31 2011,07:25
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EB1000
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Posted on: Aug. 31 2011,09:06 |
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Thanks again for the comprehensive explanation. If it not too much to ask, can you look at the list of applications I posted and tell me if I should or shouldn't check "allow lower case" for the entire build? Are there any conflicts between those 12 applications as for the lower case issue. i.e could there be a problem for one application if lower case is allowed or not allowed to your knowledge and experience? If I understand correctly; Hiren 14 must have lower case allowed only for all dos apps to work, but not for miniXP and all of it's programs, right?
BTW, do you think it's possible to modify the inside of XP.WIM image from Hiren (and/or the inside of win7pe.iso) so it can be renamed to boot.wim and put inside a win7pe.iso so it will trick ezb to load this xp-bases win7pe?? This could be interesting (or perhaps stupid as I probably don't know what I'm talking about.. :-) )
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balder
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Posted on: Aug. 31 2011,09:47 |
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@EB1000
Quote: "Are there any conflicts between those 12 applications as for the lower case issue"
Well... put it this way; Any application that is launched from ISO - typically ActivebootDisk disk 5, Win7PE se etcetera - isn't normally not in conflicts with the "Allow Lower Case"-syndrome.
However no guaranties
Test and trial-concept is what must be used to such comprehensive build that you are creating here
Quote: "Hiren 14 must have lower case allowed only for all dos apps to work, but not for miniXP and all of it's programs, right?"
Correct - though it is possible to manipulate Hiren to avoid the "Lower case problem".
Open folder HBCD in folder disk1 and use notepad and open "menu.lst" (it is a plain text-file).
It looks like this for Hiren 14.1:
title Dos Programs\nRun Dos Programs
find --set-root /HBCD/Dos/dos.gz
map --mem /HBCD/Dos/dos.gz (fd0)
map --hook
chainloader (fd0)+1
rootnoverify (fd0)
map --floppies=1
Change text to uppercase
title Dos Programs\nRun Dos Programs
find --set-root /HBCD/DOS/DOS.GZ
map --mem /HBCD/DOS/DOS.GZ (fd0)
map --hook
chainloader (fd0)+1
rootnoverify (fd0)
map --floppies=1
Launch my "easyboot-uppercase.script" and run uppercase to files and folders inside folder HBCD in folder disk1.
Note: when script ask for the location of files and folders to be uppercased you simply scroll and open folder HBCD.
In a few seconds you have every name to file and folder inside folder HBCD uppercased
In easyboot menu you simply use menu command: run /hbcd/grldr
Now you can avoid checking "Allow Lower Case" when creating ISO in EasyBoot.
However you have more stuff in text to "menu.lst" that must be uppercased to launch the rest of applications in Hiren.
Or as I described it in post nr; 4 and I quote: "However you must also change everything in the menu-system in Hiren to uppercase (a lot of efforts to change that).
Is it worth it - I don't now" Â
BUT - It is fully possible - take some time (and in my case quite many swearword before finished )
Quote: "trick ezb to load this xp-bases win7pe??"
Doesn't sound as any bright idea.
Boot-sequence in NT6-systems (Vista\Win7\Server-2008) are to some point "hard-coded", and anyway you are mixing NT5-system into NT6-system - that is an hard nut to crack.
regards balder
Edited by balder on Aug. 31 2011,09:50
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EB1000
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Posted on: Aug. 31 2011,11:03 |
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Thanks, currently building and testing. The make all upper case cause Kaspersky not to boot BTW, so I remove kaspersky files, run your scrip for upper case, then place kaspersky files back to disk1. To make my built more useful I also want to add options for reboot and shutdown the PC. Do you know suck commands for EB6?
Thanks
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balder
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Posted on: Aug. 31 2011,12:51 |
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@EB1000
Quote: " options for reboot and shutdown the PC"
In downloaded script-collection balder\USB_Resources, you have a file "SHUTDOWN.IMA.GZ".
Extract SHUTDOWN.IMA to folder ezboot.
Use menu command in Easyboot:  bcdw  SHUTDOWN.IMA
This shutdown you computer
Note: you can use zip or 7z or similar program to extract file balder\USB_Resources\ SHUTDOWN.IMA.GZ
To reboot you use menu command in Easyboot menu: reboot
As far as I know, this still is working correctly.
Quote: " The make all upper case cause Kaspersky not to boot"
Well you probably didn't open folder HBCD that was the target.
You most likely only browsed and opened folder disk1 and hereby run uppercase to all files and folders in folder disk1 and also to all subfolders as well - and not the target-folder HBCD.
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The "frugal solution" to the "Hiren syndrome"...
To avoid  check "Allow Lower Case" when integrating Hiren BOOT-CD_v14 and higher version into EasyBoot (only for Hiren_v14 and higher).
I'm currently working on a new script "easyboot-hiren.script"
Script works like this:
1. Extract from Hiren ISO-file needed files to EasyBoot\disk1
2. Deleting NOT needed files from inside of Hiren ISO-file
3. Finally create a new reduced Hiren ISO-file in folder ezboot
Question is what files can be deleted to reduce size of the total build - so it ends as close as possible in size to the size of Hiren original ISO
I'm not sure I can solve this issue but I'm working from time to time with a solution 
The point with above arrangements is to avoid the need to check "Allow Lower Case" as it creates "annoying side effects" Â
regards balder
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EB1000
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Posted on: Sep. 01 2011,13:21 |
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OK, everything seem to work OK, however, for strange reason Dos application of Hiren 14.1 are not working under VirtualBOX (getting file not found error from grub...), but they do work under QMENU and my physical machine... Updated to the latest VBOX version. same goes for Ultimate Boot CD, some of it's apps are failing to launch under VBOX but working under QMENU... So should I conclude that the project works and VirtualBox sucks? Or should I be worried that failing to fully work on VBOX means that it may also fail on another real machines?
One more thing, dear balder, do know how can I disable the "press any key to boot from cd..." message that is found on some WinPE7 based iso's? I tried moving the boot.wim to another iso that does not have this annoying message, but it still shows, meaning it is embedded into the boot.wim image. Can it be edited out safely?
Thanks
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balder
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Posted on: Sep. 01 2011,14:39 |
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@EB1000
Quote: "press any key to boot from cd... message that is found on some WinPE7 based iso's?"
Sure
Use UltraIso (or similar program) and open ISO-file (WinPE7.iso) continue with open folder "boot" and delete file "bootfix.bin".
Save changes to ISO-file and from now, no more annoying; " press any key to boot from cd..."
Note1: If you are building your own personalized WinPE7, you can already delete "bootfix.bin" in folder boot in your source folder - in this way file isn't copied at all
Note2: "bootfix.bin" is also used in WinXP-setup-CD (in folder I386) as well.
Quote: "Or should I be worried that failing to fully work on VBOX means that it may also fail on another real machines?"
I can't tell for sure...
But if build is working alright in ONE of the "virtually test systems", there is reasons to belive it works in "reality" as well.
However keep your fingers crossed
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News is soon coming regarding Hiren-v14.1
I'm in a progress to create a new special developed script that should be able to create an stand alone MiniXP based on Hiren (only MiniXP.ISO-file).
Script should also be able (if I can solve it) to completely integrate the whole Hiren - including dos-tools!
It's a he** lot of work to find out what files and where to put files to make MiniXP work correctly.
No guaranties I can solve this issue - but I'm trying my very best
regards balder
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